Phasors — Question 6

Section 16-10 · Physics pages 2582–2583

Question 6 Two phase-controlled measurements recover an unordered amplitude pair Two unknown positive amplitudes A, B give resultant amplitude 7 mm when in phase and 5 mm when in quadrature. Re Im A B Phasor construction in a plane; arrows represent sinusoidal amplitudes, not spatial motion. (a) Find A and B up to interchange. (b) What phase measurement in the quadrature setting would tell which source has amplitude A, if A defines zero phase and B leads by π/2?
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Question 6 - Solution Two phase-controlled measurements recover an unordered amplitude pair Re Im A B Method and mathematical working Use the in-phase measurement for the sum of amplitudes and the quadrature measurement for the sum of their squares. Subtract to recover their product. A + B = 7, A2 + B2 = 25, 2AB = 49 −25 = 24, z2 −7z + 12 = 0. (z −3)(z −4) = 0 ⇒{A, B} = {3, 4} mm, A = 3, B = 4 : arg(A + iB) = arctan(4/3) = 0.92730 rad. (a) Calculation and conclusion In phase, A + B = 7. In quadrature, A2 + B2 = 25. Hence 2AB = 49 −25 = 24, so AB = 12. The roots of z2 −7z + 12 = 0 are 3 and 4 mm. (b) Interpretation and limits The quadrature phasor is A + iB, with angle ϕ = arctan(B/A). A phase .9273 rad selects A = 3, B = 4; .6435 rad selects A = 4, B = 3. Magnitude-only measurements cannot label the two sources. Physical check The roots are 3 and 4, but the two measurements are symmetric under exchanging source labels. Additional phase information is required to assign either amplitude to a named source.

Question 6

Two phase-controlled measurements recover an unordered amplitude pair

Two unknown positive amplitudes A,BA,B give resultant amplitude 7mm7\,\mathrm{mm} when in phase and 5mm5\,\mathrm{mm} when in quadrature.

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  1. Find AA and BB up to interchange.

  2. What phase measurement in the quadrature setting would tell which source has amplitude AA, if AA defines zero phase and BB leads by π/2\pi/2?

Question 6 - Solution

Two phase-controlled measurements recover an unordered amplitude pair

Diagram shown in the original SVG worksheet.

Method and mathematical working

Use the in-phase measurement for the sum of amplitudes and the quadrature measurement for the sum of their squares. Subtract to recover their product.A+B=7,A2+B2=25,2AB=49−25=24,z2−7z+12=0.(z−3)(z−4)=0⇒{A,B}={3,4}mm,A=3,B=4:arg⁡(A+iB)=arctan⁡(4/3)=0.92730rad.\begin{aligned}A+B&=7,\qquad A^2+B^2=25,\\2AB&=49-25=24,\qquad z^2-7z+12=0.\\[4pt](z-3)(z-4)&=0\Rightarrow\{A,B\}=\{3,4\}\,\mathrm{mm},\\A=3,\ B=4&:\quad\arg(A+iB)=\arctan(4/3)=0.92730\,\mathrm{rad}.\end{aligned}

(a) Calculation and conclusion

In phase, A+B=7A+B=7. In quadrature, A2+B2=25A^2+B^2=25. Hence 2AB=49−25=242AB=49-25=24, so AB=12AB=12. The roots of z2−7z+12=0z^2-7z+12=0 are 33 and 4mm4\,\mathrm{mm}.

(b) Interpretation and limits

The quadrature phasor is A+iBA+iB, with angle ϕ=arctan⁡(B/A)\phi=\arctan(B/A). A phase .9273rad.9273\,\mathrm{rad} selects A=3,B=4A=3,B=4; .6435rad.6435\,\mathrm{rad} selects A=4,B=3A=4,B=3. Magnitude-only measurements cannot label the two sources.

Physical check

The roots are 33 and 44, but the two measurements are symmetric under exchanging source labels. Additional phase information is required to assign either amplitude to a named source.